HELLO FUTURE: The Rise of Computer Organoids

Speaker 1 (00:08):
We talk a lot about computers being built of rare
earth minerals and nanotech chips being imprinted into our brains
in the future. But what if we could build computers
out of human cells, more specifically, human brains organoids. Hello Future,
It's me Kevin. This is a dispatch from the Digital Frontier.
The planet is Earth. The year is twenty twenty six.
My name is Kevin SURRELLI it might be twenty twenty
five still, but I'm already living in the future. And
my guest today is somebody who I'm so excited to
talk to. He's the co founder of Final Spark, which
is a company based in Switzerland. His name is doctor
Fred Jordan, and he's going to tell us about a
breakthrough that, honestly, with my producer Brian told me about it,
I said to myself, this almost sounds unbelieva. He essentially
has a company that groups human cells that behave like
simple living computers, and these are many brains that can
react to signals, make basic adjustments, and hint at a
future where technology doesn't just run, it grows. Doctor Fred Jordan,
welcome to Hello Future. What is a computer organoid?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, at this point I would say it's a project.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Okay, So but basically you stated very well basically what
we call some people call it bio computer. It's basically
a processor where you replace transistors with human living neurons.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, so you got it right.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay. So when I was on Fellowship, I went into
one of these semiconductor chip manufacturing plants. I felt like
I was going into Honey I shrunk the kids that
movie because they kept bringing me in this bunnysuit, this
sit where nothing could get out, lower and lower and
lower into the ground, and I saw all of these
robots and whatnot making these semiconductor chips, which, of course
chips are the DNA to the modern life. But what
you're suggesting is that cells could be making computer chips.
Just walk me through the practical applications of what you're suggesting.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, first, some background.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
You know, everybody talks about AI today, but most of
the AI today was with simulations of neurons. So the
only thing that we said is quite obvious. Actually, instead
of simulating digitally neurons, we can actually use real living
neurons and we can communicate with them using electrodes. This
is a very well known technologies in thirty years, you
can input information output information. So basically, anevers tissue can
process information. This is not a new thing. Everybody knows
that navas tissue can process information.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
So why should folks want to invest more in this technology?
Where could this lead us over the next decade or
two decades if we pursue this type of science.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, there is the obvious. The obvious is the energy
consumption simulation of the neuron compare to or real neuron.
The difference in energy consumption is about one million. So basically,
when you have a problem of powering your big digital server,
you don't have any problem anymore and forever if you
use a biocomputer.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay, so I'm almost tracking. The light bulb above my
head is flickering, but it hasn't gone off yet. I
haven't had my EUREK meet the future moment. So you're saying,
obviously there's a demand for data centers, there's a demand
for AI data centers. And you're suggesting that if we
were to utilize computer organoids, or to utilize the simulation
of brain cells human cells that to behave like simple
living computers, that it would require less energy. What are
you saying why is it easier.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
What I'm saying, it's right now, we are using simulations
of urs When you use CHTPT, you are using simulations
of neurals.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
This is important because you're the expert, But a simulation
of neuron What you're saying is that all of the
technology that we've built is in many ways a simulation
of life. And not to get too philosophical, but the
simulation of neurons is coming from the chips, correct, from
the technology chips that are built of rare earth minerals. Okay,
so keep going. So if the data centers are built
by human cells, what's the shift?

Speaker 3 (04:51):
When the shift, it's basically you are solving a problem,
which is the growth and the power you need to
power all this big center you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
If you divide the.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Consumption by one thousand, okay, that means the price to
access to the server is going to drop tremendously.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So it's cheaper, it's more cost effective.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yes, by an immense factor.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Right, Yeah, I understand the point. Especially you know, I'm
a huge advocate for exploring outer space, and I would
imagine that pursuing this type of science, especially if you're
trying to create a base on Mars or the Moon,
that this would be an alternative factor in order to
do something like this to build data centers built out
of human cells as opposed to semiconductor chips. What are
some of the ethical concerns if there are some about
using human cells to essentially power data centers.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, well that ethical consideration.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
But first, I'm not an expert in its Okay, yeah,
I know it.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
But the science on extensive okay, But the etical thing
starts when you start to say I am going to
use leaving human neuron as a machine, and these questions
what we are actually if a neuron is a machine,
what are we?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Wow? Well, what do you think we are?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
If my opinion reading matters?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Sound like me, I don't think my opinion matters. I'm
really glad you went there. Doctor Fred Jordan's my guest today.
He's the co founder of this company, h Final Spark,
that is really all about. You know, They've been called
different things, brain organoids, they've been called biocomputers, and it
is fascinating because as the demand for these data centers
go up. He's essentially arguing that organoid intelligence and other
biocomputers of actual human neurons powering new biocomputing platforms that
are built from living tissue, because AI and the demand
for artificial intelligence and eventually quantum computing is devouring so
many of our global resources. But I do want to
get to the heart for pun intended of really what
the question you asked, because as I was preparing for
this episode, I thought the same thing. If we're now
leveraging human tissue and human neurons to build our technology,
what's technology and what's human?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's a very strange moment in time because here it's
not artificial anymore, just in between. It's a hybrid object
and it's new. And you tell me, you.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Ask me about the application.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I anserd about the power conception, but I'm pretty sure
there will be a myriad of other applications way more
important that I don't know yet that we'll emerge from this.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, let's leave it there. You'll come back on and
and we'll start to hypothesize about what some of them
will be. But doctor Fred Jordan, CEO and co founder
at ALP Vision and Final Spark, really really appreciate you
coming on to explain something that I didn't even know existed. Biocomputers,
biocomputing organoids. I mean, it really does sound. I don't
want to say it sounds like Frankenstein, but it's like
Frankenstein meets the robots. Folks, but the future is here.
Thank you to doctor Fred Jordan. Have a great tomorrow
today